I doubted myself when I read that comment about sweet home alabama being a def leopard song too... I didnt want to criticise in case I was wrong! hahahaha

but now I can...

so: HA!

  A car crash, plane crash, a different continent, and about 10 years' time difference, LOL!   
Ah, the good old days...

 
Note to self: engage brain before opening mouth.

sometimes need guitar ---- pedal --- di box --- mixer.
cause for easier for live gigs. 
thx

Quote from: teddybear on February 19, 2007, 11:48:23 PM
sometimes need guitar ---- pedal --- di box --- mixer.
cause for easier for live gigs. 
thx

DUDE! why didnt you say so?

SANSAMP GT2/CLASSIC.

END OF DISCUSSION.

gt-2 didn't satisfy me. the sound to sterile to me.

no waaaaaaay!

hmm...uh...classic?

classic?
but it's true. gt-2 sound different with bsiab2 or drivemaster(guv'nor).
for metal it's ok but for classic rock the dynamic so sterile.

till now still searching pedal.... 

I have two suggestions...................

if you want a classic rock sound first identify the artist / style / sound etc. then .......

1. use the same gear and learn how to play like them.

2. Cant believe I about about to say this but......get a POD or some other modelling gear and learn how to play like them.

you will note that learning how to play like the person who produces the sound you like occurs in both these answers.

There is no magic box that will make you sound like _____________ (insert name of favourite guitarist).

Classic rock was an era when some really good players made some really good music with the gear available to them.

Effects are great, don't get me wrong and it makes a real difference if you have got good ones, but they will not do the hard work for you !

End of rant !

Sorry !

May I respectfully suggest this is lounge fodder .

Axeman.

IMHO, go with (or start with) the BSIAB2. Hands down the most versatile pedal I've ever built. I gave mine to a friend that helped me out on a few things, so now I need to build another. It's so versatile that I'm thinking about building my new one in a larger box so I can have toggle (2nd footswitch) between two different gain and/or tone settings; the gain is one of the most versatile out there.

I still need to build the Plexizer and hear how that does on the Marshall Plexi tones.

- Buck

Quote...er no !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try lynard skynard !!!!!!

L-Y-N-Y-R-D   S-K-Y-N-Y-R-D    - That's how it's spelled.

Sweet Home Alabama-
Lead Guitar- Fender Stratocaster played through a Peavey Deuce. Ed King most of the playing on that track.
Rythmn- Gibson Les Paul and Gibson Firebird through Peavey Deuce amps. Guitarists Gary Rossington and Allen Collins respectively.

kids of reminds me of a discussion i had with a couple of fellow geargeeks awhile back. say you're in a 1980s rock/pop cover band. you can only have five pedals in your rig, what do you choose. extra points given for keeping all pedals "period correct," as in no pedals invented after the decade. i chose the following;

ProCo RAT>OD 250>Ibanez Analog Delay>EH Chorus>Boss Flanger

Then of course things got out of hand; reggea cover band, countrypolitan, 1990s grunge...fun i guess, when you've got nothing good to breadboard at the time.

I never thought of G'N'r and Def Leppard and 80's stuff as "classic" rock.  Either my classic rock station is behind the times or I am, I guess.  I like a fair amount of that stuff, I guess, I just put the "classic rock" period a little bit earlier.  Oh well.

OT, i cant stand the classic rock station here in sacramento...

NOTHING BUT B-SIDES!!!!!

aerosmith every 20 minutes, and the stones every 3 songs. and plenty of kenny loggins/phil collins...

I CANT STAND IT ANY LONGER!

...the only radio i have now is a big tube radio cabinet thing, and only gets AM. i aint complaining, its got better music.

Quote from: sfr on February 20, 2007, 10:44:32 PM
I never thought of G'N'r and Def Leppard and 80's stuff as "classic" rock.  Either my classic rock station is behind the times or I am, I guess.  I like a fair amount of that stuff, I guess, I just put the "classic rock" period a little bit earlier.  Oh well.

True, i i dont think GnR is a classic

Yup, Classic rock to my mind is anything from the late 60's through the 70's.  How bout Boston, Eagles, Deep Purple, Zeppelin, Skynyrd, Doors, Hendrix, etc.

I think you're looking for more of a Big Hair sound, no ? 

Chris

My take on what "classic rock" guitar tone sounds like or ought to sound like is probably way off, but gt tells me you want a tone that comes 60% from the amp and 40% from the pedal.  In other words, the amp will provide a sort of edgy constant, and the pedal simply adds more "And I mean it!" to the tone.

If trhis is true then I would also suggest the simple diode-clippers like the OD250 or Distortion+, or perhaps a Muff Fuzz.  All provide a modicum of clipping without being too severe, and exert a sort of "levelling" effect by virtue of the clipping which is nicely suited for solos.


As per previous suggestions, I think you'll want to mod the pedal in question.  At the very least, you'll want to:

a) make the amount of bass remain unaffected by turning the gain up (double or triple the .047uf cap to ground),

b) allow for more output level so that the amp can be pushed into making its contribution (use Si diodes instead of Ge),

c) tame the treble by doubling the value of the cap in parallel with the clipping diodes.

All three combined will let you produce a tone with some "heft", switch back and forth between solo and chording without feeling the need to change the tone controls on the amp or guitar in order to make the switchover, and use the increased output to push the amp a little harder with a moderately coloured tone instead of a buzzy one.

I think it's kind of funnty to mention GNR and Def Leopard in the same sentence when trying to describe a sound. They're on completely opposite ends of the scale IMHO. GNR is a very raw and wild sound that obviously simply comes from cranking the heck out of a Marshall of some kind. The Def Leopard sound is that overprocessed overproduced (lifeless) sound that seems to come from a refrigerator sized rack och preamps, compressor choruses and whatnot, into another refrigerator sized rack of delays reverbs into a number of different poweramps and speaker cabinets (the kind of sound that seems to come out of all those multi-FX gizmos...)

Quote from: 8mileshigh on February 22, 2007, 07:53:47 AM
Yup, Classic rock to my mind is anything from the late 60's through the 70's.  How bout Boston, Eagles, Deep Purple, Zeppelin, Skynyrd, Doors, Hendrix, etc.

I think you're looking for more of a Big Hair sound, no ? 

Chris

Chris, you just made me "dig out" some Skynyrd, followed by Boston and Kansas and a couple of
early Styx tracks ( before "Babe" and all that other crap ) ......   
Great rock guitars on "Miss America" BTW
Pedal for that sound, possibly BSIAB or Highway '89 or ROG's Thor !
MM.

For classic rock you gotta start off with a tube amp, and some fingers.  Once you've got that down, mess with different boosters and light overdrives.

For going into the board, I've had good luck recording TS type overdrive->compressor>Condor cab sim.