FRET repair

[crawler486]

Guys,

  Someone is selling me a guitar for a very low price,
I tested it and I'm impressed with the sound . BUT... theres a problem with
the 17th frets.  Fretting or bending strings 1,2 or 3 at the 17th fret gives a dead string sound when plucked. It also is the same with some other frets near that area.
 
 Is this repairable?

  I'm thinking of grinding the frets after the 17th but
that would mean I have to grind the other frets up to the 27th to compensate.

[Sic]

have you tried adjusting the truss rod and/or changing the action on the guitar? i'm assuming its and electric, but 27 frets?

Project Guitar Link Check this place, it has some good suggestions and walkthroughs for fret issues.

[black mariah]

Depending on how big the frets are, you might just be looking at a fret dressing. Take it to a repairman and get an opinion from someone that can see the guitar. With any luck it just needs to have the frets leveled and recrowned. If you're looking at severe wear, you might have to do a partial refret which would cost more. Whatever the case, it's a very simple repair for anyone that's even halfway competent with guitars.

27 frets? Is this a Hamer Californian by chance? Or a typo? :lol:

[zener]

27 frets? :shock:  maybe just a typo :wink:  

Try fiddling with bridge. Maybe you can adjust the rods. But if you end up with improper action for the strings, then you may grind the frets.

I'm not saying this because it's a widely acceptable solution. It's just that I already did this . My guitar had a fret buzz just in one fret up in the neck in just the 1st string IIRC. It was really annoying when I'm doing some solos up there. Not having a power tool, I just used a chisel and scraped the affected fret's fret wire thin enough that it won't buzz anymore. I had to repeat until I reach the 24th fret because the buzz will just moving from one fret to the next higher fret after scraping. Buzz is gone.

That may be the last thing to do if other things won't work.

Pre, anong gitara yang bibilin mo, branded ba o gawa lang sa tabi-tabi? ano pickups? magkano? For P4,500 lang, may RJ strat ka na. Mas maganda ang tunog nun kaysa sa mga ibang cheap na gitara?

[crawler486]

27 frets? :shock:  maybe just a typo :wink:  

Pre, anong gitara yang bibilin mo, branded ba o gawa lang sa tabi-tabi? ano pickups? magkano? For P4,500 lang, may RJ strat ka na. Mas maganda ang tunog nun kaysa sa mga ibang cheap na gitara?

24 it is..

(local languange. please excuse)
Pre,  GenesiSeries. 3T binebenta. Dual humbucker yung pickup.
Nagustuhan ko dahil nawala yung problema kong ingay sa mga
DIY effects ko. Gitara ko pala maingay. Pang metal din yung tunog.
Meron bang RJ na tipong Ybanez ang porma? Tapos dual humbucker din?

[Ge_Whiz]

"String choking" is a common problem on guitars with a small fretboard radius, especially if the action is set too low. It may just be a case of compromising between action and bending - pay a guitar tech to get it right.

[zener]

Hey crawler,

I never heard the brand before. You never told how much. Well, if will be cheaper than P7,000 or P6,000, maybe just go for it and fix if it's fixable.

That's why it is called HUM-bucker pickup :wink:  

(local language, excuse us :wink: )
Noong 2002, may muntik na akong bilihing dual humbucker sa RJ P6,500. Hindi ko itinuloy kasi floating bridge ala Floyd Rose ang gusto ko.  Ewan ko lang kung nandoon pa ngayon yun, matagal na akong di nakakapunta doon. Meron dun s/s/s o kaya h/s/s ibanez ang dating minus floating bridge. Para sa dual humbucker meron sila nung binaggit ko, Les Paul, PRS saka BC Rich type. Yung 2 nahuli eh floating bridge ang gamit.

Sa Sta. Mesa Manila ako bumili. For less than P4000 may dual humbucker at floating bridge ka na. Di lang ako sigurado sa quality ng kahoy at pickup in terms of sound kasi di pa ako nakakagamit ng mga branded na gitara, kaya di ako marunong kumilatis ng tunog ng gitara. Yung floating bridge ok naman, di nawawala sa tono. Isa pang gusto ko sa nabili ko eh mababa yung action, sarap pang-solo at madulas yung fingerboard.



Pero maraming nagsasabing maganda talaga ang tunog ng mga RJ guitars. Depende kung magkano ibebenta sa'yo yung Genesis, ang suggestion ko eh RJ kung talagang may pera ka. May trabaho ka naman di ba?

[crawler486]

Hey crawler,

I never heard the brand before. You never told how much. Well, if will be cheaper than P7,000 or P6,000, maybe just go for it and fix if it's fixable.

That's why it is called HUM-bucker pickup :wink:  

(local language, excuse us :wink: )
Noong 2002, may muntik na akong bilihing dual humbucker sa RJ P6,500. Hindi ko itinuloy kasi floating bridge ala Floyd Rose ang gusto ko.  Ewan ko lang kung nandoon pa ngayon yun, matagal na akong di nakakapunta doon. Meron dun s/s/s o kaya h/s/s ibanez ang dating minus floating bridge. Para sa dual humbucker meron sila nung binaggit ko, Les Paul, PRS saka BC Rich type. Yung 2 nahuli eh floating bridge ang gamit.

Sa Sta. Mesa Manila ako bumili. For less than P4000 may dual humbucker at floating bridge ka na. Di lang ako sigurado sa quality ng kahoy at pickup in terms of sound kasi di pa ako nakakagamit ng mga branded na gitara, kaya di ako marunong kumilatis ng tunog ng gitara. Yung floating bridge ok naman, di nawawala sa tono. Isa pang gusto ko sa nabili ko eh mababa yung action, sarap pang-solo at madulas yung fingerboard.



Pero maraming nagsasabing maganda talaga ang tunog ng mga RJ guitars. Depende kung magkano ibebenta sa'yo yung Genesis, ang suggestion ko eh RJ kung talagang may pera ka. May trabaho ka naman di ba?

[crawler486]

Hey crawler,

I never heard the brand before. You never told how much. Well, if will be cheaper than P7,000 or P6,000, maybe just go for it and fix if it's fixable.

That's why it is called HUM-bucker pickup :wink:  

(local language, excuse us :wink: )
Noong 2002, may muntik na akong bilihing dual humbucker sa RJ P6,500. Hindi ko itinuloy kasi floating bridge ala Floyd Rose ang gusto ko.  Ewan ko lang kung nandoon pa ngayon yun, matagal na akong di nakakapunta doon. Meron dun s/s/s o kaya h/s/s ibanez ang dating minus floating bridge. Para sa dual humbucker meron sila nung binaggit ko, Les Paul, PRS saka BC Rich type. Yung 2 nahuli eh floating bridge ang gamit.

Sa Sta. Mesa Manila ako bumili. For less than P4000 may dual humbucker at floating bridge ka na. Di lang ako sigurado sa quality ng kahoy at pickup in terms of sound kasi di pa ako nakakagamit ng mga branded na gitara, kaya di ako marunong kumilatis ng tunog ng gitara. Yung floating bridge ok naman, di nawawala sa tono. Isa pang gusto ko sa nabili ko eh mababa yung action, sarap pang-solo at madulas yung fingerboard.

Pero maraming nagsasabing maganda talaga ang tunog ng mga RJ guitars. Depende kung magkano ibebenta sa'yo yung Genesis, ang suggestion ko eh RJ kung talagang may pera ka. May trabaho ka naman di ba?

cge pasyal ako sa RJ minsan. anong tatak b ng guitara mo? mahaba ba yung sustain?  3,000 binebenta sa akin yung GenesiSeries

[black mariah]

I don't know why, but I find the idea of a non-English language written only in English characters really funny. Like if me and another English speaker were both using a Chinese character set. The absurdity of language rules. :lol:

[zener]

(excuse us, local language)
Yung gitara ko eh local lang yun. Gaya ng sabi ko, di pa ako nakakagamit ng ibang gitara maliban sa gitara ko kaya di ko talaga masasabi kung maganda na ang tunog nito.

Pre, check ko itong link  http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data4/00all.html Walang Genesis (baka subname lang yun, di talaga yung brandname). Pero may reviews para sa ilang RJ guitars. Di kaya kagaya di yan ng sa akin na local lang. Tapos P3,000 lang, hmmmmm... :?:

3 ang RJ music store, sa Glorietta, Robinson Galleria at Save-A-Lot sa Pasong Tamo Ext. Kung gusto mo, kapag pumunta ka ng RJ, punta ka rin sa Sta. Mesa kung saan ako bumili para mai-kumpara mo. Kung alam mo yung SM Centerpoint, sigurado makikita mo yung mga music store pag naglakad ka pa ng kaunti . I-test mo yung mga gitara dun, baka sapat na sa pandinig mo eh di makakatipid ka pa. Depende talaga ang lahat sa pandinig mo at sa bulsa mo, pati mata :mrgreen:.

Ewan ko lang kung alam mo na ito.

You can hardly notice the "crapiness" a crappy guitar if it's plugged into a good amp like Marshall or Fender.

Sa RJ may Marshall sila at yun ang ginagamit nila kapag may nagte-test.

[zener]

I don't know why, but I find the idea of a non-English language written only in English characters really funny. Like if me and another English speaker were both using a Chinese character set. The absurdity of language rules. :lol:

Yeah, me too. Other languages really do sound funny some times :mrgreen:.

If you're going to "read" my local language post here, you'll find some words and phrases in English. It is either because some local words/phrases have no exact translation in English or vice-versa or it would take more words in our local language to express a thought than in English. Or in many times, speaking our language with a mix of English words/phrases is just our whim. :wink: It is too prevalent here. Our country is the best English-speaking country in Asia. That may be the reason. Another factor is the ever development of ICT and most of the information is encoded in the English language.

For the sake of "fellowness", I used my local language in this thread. After all, those things I said are just confined to our locality that other people in the forum from other countries can't say anything. I also saw some threads here where people from South America are using their local language.

As long as English speakers have nothing to do or say with the things said in other languages between "fellows", I think it is just fine. But I'm willing to submit if ever it would be for the overall good of the forum to just speak English.

[black mariah]

Or in many times, speaking our language with a mix of English words/phrases is just our whim.

It's kind of like this movie I have called Ichi the Killer. There's one woman in the movie that switches between speaking Japanese and English for absolutely no reason whatsoever.  :lol:

GUH! Thread hijack! Anyway, get the guitar set up by a tech. It's cheap and might fix the problem. :lol:

[Arno van der Heijden]

I don't know why, but I find the idea of a non-English language written only in English characters really funny.

What do you mean?
Ever heard of French, Spanish, German, or even Dutch language? All use 'English' characters... :?

You sound kinda unworldly to me.....

[black mariah]

You know, not everyone that finds differences in language humorous is a backwoods, cousin-screwing, gunrack-having, intolerant, redneck.

And all the languages you list have syntax components not common to English. Umlauts, tildes, that little dot thing (or is that Swedish?). English is fairly unique in that you can use its characters to type pretty much any language. I'm sorry, but it's damn funny that you can do that. It would be like me and a friend typing English words in Kanji. Like I said, the absurdity of language is cool.

[Arno van der Heijden]

And all the languages you list have syntax components not common to English. Umlauts, tildes, that little dot thing (or is that Swedish?). English is fairly unique in that you can use its characters to type pretty much any language.

Yes, but all the languages I list also predominantly consist of 'English' characters as you called them. So why call them English characters, like they're unique to English language? I think it sounds ignorant to talk about an English script while it is used by the entire western world.
The 'English' characters you mentioned are usually referred to as the Roman, or Latin alfabet...

[ejbasses]

Zener and Crawler 486...

Long time no see guys.

Fretting problems eh?? Try a good setup first. Refrets aint that cheap ya know. But if your realy jonesin for a new guitar...

Crawler486, Genesis guitars aint so bad, my brother has one  but may I point out to you the bridge. ITS NAOT A TRUE DUAL LOCKING FLOYD ROSE. Its some stupid idea of how to make a bridge look like a floyd rose. Its kinda tough on the strings. Fretting is not bad too. Pickups aint so bad too.

If you have some extra cash try swingin by your nearest ibanez dealer. Theyre selling these gio guitars for 6 thousand bucks brand new man! They come in HSH configuration and they are realllyyyyyyyy nice guitars man! Theres a store selling these babies in Raon, Mega Mall, Cubao and Boni Avenue. Give me a call if ya wanna check out some guitars man. (Samahan kita. Baka Mahanapan pa kita ng magandang deal)

BTW. check out my new piece of gear. Last thursday while we were in practice some one came up to us and he was selling this guitar. I got his number and decided to check it out.

I went to his place last monday to look at the guitar. It was a MIJ (made in Japan) Fender stratocaster with its hardcase. now heres the catch. it was missing the original bridge plus there are 2 big holes on the bridge area. looks like The guy abandoned the guitar after trying to put a floyd rose trem on it. Plus the bridge pup was converted to a Humbucker.

I checked out everything from frets to the truss rod and everything was good. the paint was even shiny. After haggling for the price HE GAVE IT TO ME FOR 4,000 bucks!!!!! what a steal man!!!!

I got home and took it apart and gues what i found.............. THE HUMBUCKER ON THE BRIDGE POSITION WAS A FREAKIN SEYMOUR DUNCAN!!!!!! wahahaha life is good.

Im still savin up on the bridge and related hardware plus a new pick guard. Plus i gotta identify what SD humbucker came with it.

Cant wait!!!!

Ooops i kinda jacked your thread there man sorry!
   

[zener]

I really don't know what does mariah mean when he said "funny"  Could it be just simply because languages other English is very unfamiliar to him that these "seem" or sound funny when pronounced or written. I just hope that he didn't intend to mock other languages since I believe that a laguange is one true identity of a nation.

Ok, back on the topic. Hey ej. Nice to be back. I've never been to Raon and the Cubao area before. But in Boni Ave., where? That is the route I take going to Sta. Mesa. I don't see any music stores in the area aside that from R. Magsaysay blvd along SM Centerpoint in Sta. Mesa. Damn, Ibanez H/S/H for P6,000 ($100 - $110), I gotta get one, whenever I get a job. I hope it will still be there (so as you are) when the time comes. I always dreamed of a guitar that i know is good in built, looks and of course, sound.

Crawler (Jason) is a lucky guy at the moment. He's having a new guitar. I hope he'll make the right decision.

Ej, you scored a bang when you got that modded strat with a seymour duncan , haven't you? For P4,000 ($70-$75) what a deal. Many good pickups are expensive enough that you can already buy a pretty decent sounding guitar for the price of the pickup.

Ok, gotta go now to http://www.edromanguitars.com and there I will pop my eyes out :shock:  and salivate upon browsing all nice guitars there :wink: .

[black mariah]

I really don't know what does mariah mean when he said "funny"  Could it be just simply because languages other English is very unfamiliar to him that these "seem" or sound funny when pronounced or written. I just hope that he didn't intend to mock other languages since I believe that a laguange is one true identity of a nation.

Half my movie collection is in Japanese, I also have a few French movies, I live in an area with one of the fastest growing Spanish-speaking populations in the country, and I want to learn German just so I can sound ticked off all the time. I'm not unfamiliar with foreign languages. Languages intrigue me. What really interests me is how one written form can be used for a language it was never meant for. It's easy to write most foreign languages in English, or any other language that uses a similar alphabet, because you can easily write out the phonetic spelling. "Mga" isn't something you typically see when you're a native English speaker. It makes absolutely no sense in English, kind of like the sentence "When are your left hand?"

Umm... how DO you pronounce that, anyway? Seriously, I wanna know. Is 'mg' similar to 'ng' in this usage?

There's no mockery intended. I speak English, the lamest language on the planet. I am in no position to mock any other languages for any reason. :lol:

[ejbasses]

Black Mariah "Mga" kinda sonds like Manga. I dunno how to type phonetic characters  

Zener what im talkin bout is the audiophile at boni avenue. Right behind the kuntucky fried chicken place. Audiophile is the local ibanez dealer so i dont think theyre gonna run out of those guitars. In fact im seeing more bands using those babies.

I just cant stop thinking of my new guitar man! too bad i still have to get a bridge. Ive passed up on some good deals so instead of regreting stuff i just went ahead and bought the damn thing. It just needs a bridge a new pickguard and strings. Cant wait to rock with this thing. Did i mention that it came with a hardcase?

Its a MIJ strat, I checked out a local store and they were selling these things for 68,000 brand new. Not a bad deal eh? I wanna get this thing together so i can use it when we record our CD.

BTW shameless plug. Watch the MTV Pilipinas awards, My band did a Video insert for the best international artist award. It was so damn funny doing that clip. and it was our first Paying gig. God has been good to me lately haha