cool idea maybe?

[pinkjimiphoton]

was thinking a fuzz effect that may be neat would be this:

take a signal, split it 3 or 4 ways.
use a real short delay on each signal, all different times,but very short...chorus or flanging territory.
have each signal go thru a different fuzz, optimized for different frequencies...say, bass, mid, and treble...

kind of a fuzz chorus autowah (if it went bass, mid, then treble in terms of when each fuzz was heard).

if it had level controls, you could make it sound like you're playing fuzz guitar backwards, in real time...make each repeat louder than the previous one, maybe give
the illusion that it's sweeping upwards in tone and volume....

am i making any kinda sense here? it seems like it should be doable, and might sound pretty cool...kind of the sonic equivalent of

fuzzfuzzFUZZ


or you could make it so the bass is crunchy, the mid clean, the treble screaming, or whatever...

again, i'm a newbe...do you think something like this would be hard to implement?
would it sound cool? is it doable? is it worth trying?

could anyone reccomend a way to get a simple, single slap echo cheaply and easily?

man...so many questions, sorry, but i can kind of hear this thing in my head!!

a fuzz choral doubler pseudo wah?

or, even sicker, make another stage that pulls in an octave fuzz?

[Steben]

Most of your ideas are all possible if you throw different effects in series / parallel with loops.
Putting it all in one circuit would make one hell of a loaded PCB.

[pinkjimiphoton]

i'm imagining the big thing would be getting a simple, small enough delay to make this all fit in a box. the fuzz tone controls could be trimmers...as could the delay time and mixer circuits?

may not be worth attempting, and yes, can do it with parallel loops...but i thought it would be cool in just one box.

[Rodgre]

Not exactly the same thing, but the Jaques Fuseblower does an interesting thing with distorting three ranges seperately. Its just an interesting distortion unit, but not doing any of the delay processed stuff you're thinking of.

Roger

[pinkjimiphoton]

hi rodgre,
thanks for the reply. i'm not really looking to do a traditional delay, more like i guess just a fast triplet, with each note of the triplet hitting it's own distortion...maybe 30ms or so max time. i'm thinking maybe there's a way to do that without too much real estate on the board. it's gonna take me years to figure it out on my own, that's for sure, that's why i posted the idea here, to see if anyone can figure out a way to do such a thing, if it's possible. it doesn't need to be hi fi, i'm imagining the simplest bbd kind of thing maybe?

pipe dreams...lol

[digi2t]

Just find yourself an SDD3300, and run the 3 channels/effects in series. You can even program certain loops in or out. Works like a charm.

I've got one by the way, but it's not for sale. It sits faithfully in my rack... next to my autographed album of Nazareths Greatest Hits. Both of which will be buried with me.

Cheers,
Dino

[pinkjimiphoton]

now i'm jealous...lol..

no, no, it's gotta be something stupid simple, built into a small circuit IN the box.  lol...

me, i'm taking my echoplex and my firebird, with me..

[digi2t]

Maybe this as the output mixer?



Firebird? Hmmm, 400 small block? or 455 BB? Both keepers.

[tubelectron]

i'm imagining the big thing would be getting a simple, small enough delay to make this all fit in a box. the fuzz tone controls could be trimmers...as could the delay time and mixer circuits?

may not be worth attempting, and yes, can do it with parallel loops...but i thought it would be cool in just one box.

This would be an usine à gaz... But why not ? It may be a revolution... I would be afraid of having a little too much hiss, though.

A+!

[pinkjimiphoton]

Maybe this as the output mixer?



Firebird? Hmmm, 400 small block? or 455 BB? Both keepers.

dude, exactly...that is what i mean, using either existing designs, or frankenstiening stuff together from fragments of different circuits.
well done!

now...as for the firebird...neither....1966 non reverse body gibson...

[pinkjimiphoton]

i'm imagining the big thing would be getting a simple, small enough delay to make this all fit in a box. the fuzz tone controls could be trimmers...as could the delay time and mixer circuits?

may not be worth attempting, and yes, can do it with parallel loops...but i thought it would be cool in just one box.

This would be an usine à gaz... But why not ? It may be a revolution... I would be afraid of having a little too much hiss, though.

A+!

lol...you can still hear hiss? daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmn....i've been playing too long!

just kidding...i'd imagine that if we used trim pots on the transistors in the fuzz units we could get them into a compromise between perfect fuzz and minimal noise..
or add a simple filter after the mixer stage...just a tone control, i bet it would have plenty of gain to drive a passive stack.

pipe dreams rule, don't they?

[digi2t]

MAJOR DOAH!! on the Firebird.

Maybe this for the delay part;


X 3 of course. Set at different times. Problem would be killing the dry signal, and getting just the repeats. I know there has to be an elegant way to do it, but it's not hitting me right now. Check this thread; http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=71129.0, might do the trick. As for the buffer, I built this one into a bastardized Skyripper, and it works great;


I'm pretty sure, with some careful planning, a 1590DD would hold everything. After breadboarding... of course.

[pinkjimiphoton]

now we're cookin'... why 3 delays tho? all we need is three repeats i think...three delays would obviously be the best in terms of versatility, but i'm thinking that it's overcomplcated as we don't need delay feedback in them, just one slap a piece....or, one delay with only three slaps.

i don't have the chops to do this, just an idea....would love to see it come to fruition via teamwork, tho... :thu:

[digi2t]

Well, I was thinking 3 delays, each handling one effect. Guess I'm still thinking along the lines of my SDD3300. Otherwise, how do you "slap" the other effects? You keep one dry signal, kill the other 2, and stagger the times. All 3 will recieve the dry signal, but only one will output it, along with the following wet. By killing the dry to the 2 others, manipulating the delay time, only the wet repeats should follow. And with 3 delays, you can also pull one delay/effect out, play with the times, and ping-pong 2 of them. From what I understand, by varying one of the resistor values (the one above IC 2), you vary the volume between the wet and dry signals. I'd say, put a pot in here on each delay, and you could also vary the wey/dry signal from each delay/effect individually i.e. have one dry signal+delay, and the other 2 only wet signals follow in sequence.

Or, run three seperate outs to 3 amps a la Brian May. Now THERE'S a wall of sound!

Madness, I tell you, sheer madness.  

[digi2t]

And here is the input buffer/splitter;



Start breadboarding my friend. But, you might have to consider something a bit bigger than 1590DD.

[pinkjimiphoton]

Well, I was thinking 3 delays, each handling one effect. Guess I'm still thinking along the lines of my SDD3300. Otherwise, how do you "slap" the other effects? You keep one dry signal, kill the other 2, and stagger the times. All 3 will recieve the dry signal, but only one will output it, along with the following wet. By killing the dry to the 2 others, manipulating the delay time, only the wet repeats should follow. And with 3 delays, you can also pull one delay/effect out, play with the times, and ping-pong 2 of them. From what I understand, by varying one of the resistor values (the one above IC 2), you vary the volume between the wet and dry signals. I'd say, put a pot in here on each delay, and you could also vary the wey/dry signal from each delay/effect individually i.e. have one dry signal+delay, and the other 2 only wet signals follow in sequence.

Or, run three seperate outs to 3 amps a la Brian May. Now THERE'S a wall of sound!

Madness, I tell you, sheer madness.  

i like the way you think....

[Skruffyhound]

Not quite what you are talking about, but similar thinking, check out the Craig Anderton Quadrafuzz
http://www.paia.com/ProdArticles/quadrafz-design.htm
Splits the signal in four bands and distorts them all separately.
May be some snippets there you can use.

[digi2t]

Thanks Skruf, I thought about the QuadraFuzz, but I didn't bother mentioning it since I figure it would be more fun to create this with 3 loops. Then you could just pick and choose the pedals you want to delay stagger, and plug them in.

I'm really seriously considering drawing something up. Could be pretty funky. Would be a hell of a vero though. Ouff!!! the parts list! DOAH

[Rodgre]

30ms is still in the chorus range where you won't hear much of a discrete delay slap. I like your creativity. Maybe try a longer delay time?

[pinkjimiphoton]

Thanks Skruf, I thought about the QuadraFuzz, but I didn't bother mentioning it since I figure it would be more fun to create this with 3 loops. Then you could just pick and choose the pedals you want to delay stagger, and plug them in.

I'm really seriously considering drawing something up. Could be pretty funky. Would be a hell of a vero though. Ouff!!! the parts list! DOAH

dude....make it happen!! i'll build and verify it, if it takes me a month!! lol!!