Hullo Hullllooooo
       Yeah, and what about those PARK FUZZES !!   [Wasn't one of 'em the 3 germ tranny circuit with no fuzz control?]
Thanks for the pictures, Stuart!
Brian.

I'd be fibbin if I said I didn't get a good laugh out of some folks thinking I was Roger Mayer.   :lol: Well anyway let me clear that up.  I am a huge Page fan and I originally came to this forum a wayz back for only one reason.  I wanted to learn how to make Pages effects.  So I came here to learn about Tonebenders and wahs and other Page related stuff.  So I also figured the best source for finding out this stuff is to ask the man himself rumored to have built Pages effects.  SO I emailed Roger Mayer and asked him.
So the post you see of mine earlier was his email response he sent me.

Sorry for getting some hopes up here.  I doubt big Rog would ever have anything to do with us here.  Also is appears he has came out with that effect already!  It is on his website as a new "vision" series product.  He states in the description that he made these effects for Page and Beck in 64 or for Page in his early days.  Page probably changed to TBs in around 67, 68 and on.   Anyway go to the website and read the description.  He gives some technical details.  It seems to be a boost fuzz type rig.

Concorde + Treble Booster
The Concorde+ Treble Booster housed in the new Vision Series enclosure uses both silicon and germanium transistors in a unique configuration to obtain the best tone qualities from the marriage. When I first started designing pedals in 1961 I produced a treble booster that was tried and used by my friends including Page who played in local bands. The circuit configuration was a standard textbook example but required careful attention to biasing and selection of transistors to obtain the best from this simple circuit. There were many subsequent commercial versions of this type of circuit produced in the sixties that were not available at the time I first designed mine and today I have been asked to produce a more flexible version of my early design. The modern clones of the ultra simple treble boosters lack in flexibility and in my opinion are of very limited use. The Concorde + uses a unique approach of combining a low noise class A silicon drive circuit with passive tone shaping to drive a fully optimised germanium treble booster. This results in giving the simple circuit new life and explores its sonic boundaries to the maximum. It is now possible to add drive and distortion with EQ before the treble booster section .It is also possible to set the silicon drive section to drive the treble booster section much harder than any guitar pickup could ever do without any added distortion but with the added feature or having EQ prior to the treble booster. So if you want the qualities of soft germanium type distortion overload characteristics that this circuit will produce or you want to explore the more radical germanium distortion possibilities the Concorde+ will oblige. The front panels controls of DRIVE, TONE and OUTPUT control the many tone variations and brings the humble treble booster forward to the future.

For more complete information please download the manuals:
Voodoo Vibe Jr
Concorde +
Vision Octavia

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I would like to note
If any of you really want some hard evidence or at least as close as your gonna get , buy that new Zep DVD set!  I did and the tonebenders MK2 pro are on there and the thin silver case 3 knober fuzz.  I use to have the best picture in the world for all of you wanted Page type sounds and wondering which thin case did he use.  I got a pic from a Japanese guy in about 98 showing a slightly overhead shot a Page and his foot mid air coming down on the thin silver case 3 knob tonbender.  You could clearly see the bright orange fuzz marking and all.  My puter crashed some time after that and I lost the pic.  But it is still in my head!

Also if anyone cares, a guy on ebay back in about November or October was selling a gold Marshall Supa Fuzz in the same case as a TB MK2 pro.  His selling point was that the Beatles use one.  THe ol boy even supplied the pic showing Paul McCartney and John Lennon sitting behind a small stack a amp stuff and sitting right in front of them on the amp was a gold colored pedal in the TB MK2 Pro shape.  So being that Supa Fuzzes were in gold colored houses I assume it was a Supa Fuzz.  I have that pic somewhere saved to CD disk.  Also I have a pic of the guts.  The guy provided a nice close up pic of the innerds.

Hi,
 I 'm laughing too because  i took you for RM ,but like you say it's for JP ih ad trusted  you.Sorry again Geers !
bruno

Hi again
Have you seen too in the DVD the extra 'Tous en scene'' ? There is a TB
thin case three knobs too,really the same that my friend have
Nruno

I'll be honest here.  I have tried nine ways to Sunday to get Pages Zep 1 tone with misc amps and stuff.  I finally broke down and sunk some cash into a Supro Thunderbolt.  All I can say is that I have finally arrived.  I also bought a mint condition Supro Super 1606.  The little tike chews nails!  Even better when I hooked him up to a 12" cab.  The little 8" Jensen in him just can't take much in the lows.  But the Thunderbolt is all Page tone.  I threw humbuckers at it at first and something was wrong.  I threw my Tele at it and was in Zep heaven.  Keep in mind though I have seven tones on my tele with Fralin PUPS!  

Keep also in mind Page liked to Mic a bit further back than most to get a fatter sound from the amp.  Many other tricks he used also.  I got to much info on Page.  But that's all though just Page.  

Oh yeah seen the 'Tous en scene''  I've analyzed every inch of that DVD.  I had most of it already I pulled of the net from Kazaa and others.  Then the DVD came out and I erased all the crap from the net I got cause it was all right there on the new DVD.  I got the Cream video to.  It's got that tiny little guitar lesson from young Clapton.  The amp in the clip is hissing to hell and back!  I never fight hiss I just turn into part of the music.  It worked for them back then and it works for me now!  God save the hiss and hum!

Hi Bruno,

I have the DVD and I agree - it looks as if Page is indeed using the same type of TB as your friend's during the "Tous En Scene" performance.  Man, what a horrible audience - I can see why they refused to perform on TV after that.

Jim

Hi,

Yes, this was not the best performance of Led Zep but the sound of the guitar despite the bad recording is VERY BIG !!
I'm going to ask at Dennis of Colorsound what is the realnumber of the grey and orange TB.Perhaps it's a IV but the components are the exactly same of in the MKIII (perhaps only the trannys have changed in this model ,sure they are not OC81,i think perhaps the famous ZTX ?!?)
Well ,i'll give you the exact number,
Besy regards
Bruno

Quote from: BluesgeetarI finally broke down and sunk some cash into a Supro Thunderbolt.  All I can say is that I have finally arrived.  I also bought a mint condition Supro Super 1606.  The little tike chews nails!  Even better when I hooked him up to a 12" cab.  The little 8" Jensen in him just can't take much in the lows.  But the Thunderbolt is all Page tone.  I threw humbuckers at it at first and something was wrong.  I threw my Tele at it and was in Zep heaven.  Keep in mind though I have seven tones on my tele with Fralin PUPS!  

Throw a rangemaster type treble booster in front of those Supros and you've got probably 85% of the amp tones Pagey used back then. Thats why all the hiss! The "You Shook Me" tone is definitely a Tonebender though.

Regards

RDV

Hello  Hello Again--
   The sound of the "three knobber"  is good for some stuff [for me], so I think I'm going to  put the 3-tranny 3-knob circuit into a Colorsound 3-knob reissue that I've had for years and never used [3 silicon trannys...sounds like crap].  That casing is just too cool to NOT use for a pedal!    In 1972  or-so somebody tried to get me to replace my 2-knobber with a 3-knob.......["But it's brand new, the latest fuzz...you'll love it!"]  Well, I didn't love it, so the MK II stayed.  Now, however, MORE FUZZES IS BETTER...so my crappy sounding thin case silicon is going to be re-born as a germanium fire-breather!
Brian

RDV!  Way ahead of you bro!  When I bought the Supros I already had my little lipstick case Vox treble booster so I put the booster to use immediately on the Supro set.  Lovin every minute of it.

Quote from: brian wenzHello Hello--
   Yeah, modded Maestro Fuzzes for 9-volt operation.   [Originals being 1v-3v]
Some of Pages' earlier  studio sessions have the Maestro on 'em .......then the Tonebender came along.  
Hey, anybody want to make a 9-volt Maestro??  I was thinking about that a while back when I built a couple of the stock Maestro circuits [Thanks Gez!]
Brian.

actually that sounds pretty cool

Hi
I've  read on interview from Page that he use his wha like a filter too :this does some hiss too ,it does react pretty like a treble boost ,does everybody here use a Wha wha before the Tone bender?
Regards
Bruno

Hello Hello--
  Yeah, I've used that  combo alot.......it can sound pretty good for some things.  At extreme settings  of the wah it's REALLY shrill.....not  like a good treble booster......sort of sounds like everything except the ultra-highs have been removed from the signal.  Ice-pick filter!
Brian.

Hi
the treble booster sezms have a peak of 24 dB beetween 1 or two Khz
(from Geofex website)Is it different with a wha  on 1 or 2 kh position?

Bruno

I bought a p.e.yard box ,advertised to be the same as the sola gray unit used by page at the bbc concerts,ok I got it ,its a four knobber unit,and sounds nothing like what I expected, I want that gray box clipping but with out the high gain.The only way I can get this pedal to give up similiar clipping is to have the gain knob up to 7-8,then it sounds way to modern.
      What can be done to this pedal to get back a good tone.Im a newbe so please be specific  thanks

I have tried to emulate that tone also using Colorsound, Solasound, Prescription Yardbox and homemade-don't forget that he used an Echoplex in a good majority of his recordings also and with or without it makes a Great differance

Hello Hello--
    The Yardbox  [I've owned one for years]  is NOTHING like the model  of Tonebender that Page used on the early Zep stuff.   You want a TB MK II  [3-tranny, 2-knob] if you want the exact set-up.  A Telecaster guitar is essential for the EXACT sound, too.  OC76 germ. trannys are perfect in that circuit but are real hard to find  so any good, properly biased germs will do.
Brian.

Hi,Hi,
Crank-up your amp too! Jimmy Page did the same because Bonzo played very loud drums ! I've read that his MK II was modified by RM ,what mod could have be done ?


Bruno

It has been rumored that RM is going to make available to the public a JP distortion unit,such as the one he used in 1 & 2 albums.