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StarGeezers

Good Reverb pedal ???
« on: November 23, 2011, 09:03:21 AM »
   I know you guys know all the Good Stuff !!!    Anybody know how we can make a really good (reliable too ) reverb pedal for gigging ...
 seen those Belton units ... wondering how do they last ... ??

anchovie

Re: Good Reverb pedal ???
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2011, 11:34:16 AM »
They "last" fine - there's a PCB with some ICs and other components sealed in there, nothing that can shake loose!

Reliability will be down to how well you build the external circuitry and wiring.
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Re: Good Reverb pedal ???
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2011, 01:23:00 PM »
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petemoore

Re: Good Reverb pedal ???
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2011, 09:05:14 AM »
  Got a few, like each one in it's own way.
   Basic Belton not tried yet, will be next when I need more wet sound somewhere.
  "Good'' is read by this reader as 'nice'...ie short delay and not super heavy in the mix, ''adda-touch-a'' so to speak.
   I just dropped 15 on a Fab Echo, while not 'reverb' perse' it does add wetness, I generally prefer short-time reverb because the added-to-original signal can swamp and turn to muddy sound. For 'Dick Dale' a long/fat tank...something more like the tube-reverb I built gets the real deal tubey reverb tone...too big...too much to haul around, more verb than is actually needed.
   Hafta say electronic reverb makes really good sense unless there's already room for the tank and all the 'extra needed bits' are also provided...tube reverb is cool but not really worth the trouble in my cases except for studio applications.
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deadastronaut

Re: Good Reverb pedal ???
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2011, 09:19:42 AM »
Behringer Reverb Machine RV600

nice n cheap...and trails too... :icon_cool:

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jubal81

Re: Good Reverb pedal ???
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2011, 11:17:56 PM »
Behringer Reverb Machine RV600

nice n cheap...and trails too... :icon_cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_LY-Yjrq_8

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Tacoboy

Re: Good Reverb pedal ???
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2011, 03:31:39 AM »
I've built something similar like this: http://techniguitare.com/forum/realisation-montage/bverb-une-reverb-digitale-belton-btdr-t9130.html
Sounds ok, but... My Marshall JCM800 2204 (massive reverb) responds completely different than my Bassman 135 or my Fender Tweed Deluxe (reverb sounds thinner).
It gives tons of reverb... Very sensitive and sounding a little too digital to my ears. But overall, a good and cheap DIY reverb pedal!
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waltk

Re: Good Reverb pedal ???
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2011, 10:30:00 AM »
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Anybody know how we can make a really good (reliable too ) reverb pedal for gigging


Reverb is really hard to DIY - especially in comparison with cheap commercial pedals.  That's because the only reasonable way to do it involves digital ICs with the reverb built in - like PT2399, FV1, or V1000.  The PT2399 is kind of "low-end" echo processor.  It's fun to play with, and there have some really inventive circuits designed around it (like Merlin's Equinox and FrequencyCentral's Little Angel chorus).  The belton reverb brick reputedly uses 3 PT2399 chips to produce its reverb.  I haven't finished my Belton project yet, but other folks say they sound pretty good. 

To get a really flexible reverb you have to look at the fancier chips.  You can find a DIY reverb circuit that uses the SpinSemi FV1, but the only reason for building it is purely for the fun/challenge of doing it.  That's because the commercial pedals are built with big economies of scale.  You can find finished commercial pedals cheaper than you can acquire the parts for building your own.

The Behringer pedals sound perfectly fine to me, and they are dirt cheap.  You can get a DR600 for less than $30.  They are based on the CoolAudio V1000.

I'm guessing that all the modern inexpensive commercial reverb pedals use either the FV1 or V1000 chips.  So you wouldn't expect one to sound better than another based on the same chip.  The digital DSP chips do allow custom DSP programs, but if you can write a better reverb alogorithm that will run on them, then you probably already work for one of these companies.

My favorite reverbs are VST plugins.  I can't wait for somebody to come up with an affordable and/or DIY pedal that let's you load your own VSTs (and are other threads that indicate this may happen sometime soon).

DavenPaget

Re: Good Reverb pedal ???
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2011, 01:57:34 PM »
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Anybody know how we can make a really good (reliable too ) reverb pedal for gigging


Reverb is really hard to DIY - especially in comparison with cheap commercial pedals.  That's because the only reasonable way to do it involves digital ICs with the reverb built in - like PT2399, FV1, or V1000.  The PT2399 is kind of "low-end" echo processor.  It's fun to play with, and there have some really inventive circuits designed around it (like Merlin's Equinox and FrequencyCentral's Little Angel chorus).  The belton reverb brick reputedly uses 3 PT2399 chips to produce its reverb.  I haven't finished my Belton project yet, but other folks say they sound pretty good. 

To get a really flexible reverb you have to look at the fancier chips.  You can find a DIY reverb circuit that uses the SpinSemi FV1, but the only reason for building it is purely for the fun/challenge of doing it.  That's because the commercial pedals are built with big economies of scale.  You can find finished commercial pedals cheaper than you can acquire the parts for building your own.

The Behringer pedals sound perfectly fine to me, and they are dirt cheap.  You can get a DR600 for less than $30.  They are based on the CoolAudio V1000.

I'm guessing that all the modern inexpensive commercial reverb pedals use either the FV1 or V1000 chips.  So you wouldn't expect one to sound better than another based on the same chip.  The digital DSP chips do allow custom DSP programs, but if you can write a better reverb alogorithm that will run on them, then you probably already work for one of these companies.

My favorite reverbs are VST plugins.  I can't wait for somebody to come up with an affordable and/or DIY pedal that let's you load your own VSTs (and are other threads that indicate this may happen sometime soon).
VST Plugins ! I dig them all the time  :icon_mrgreen:
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deadastronaut

Re: Good Reverb pedal ???
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2011, 05:18:05 PM »
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Anybody know how we can make a really good (reliable too ) reverb pedal for gigging



 I can't wait for somebody to come up with an affordable and/or DIY pedal that let's you load your own VSTs (and are other threads that indicate this may happen sometime soon).

that would be super cool..... :icon_cool:

@jubal81  sounds ok to me......and the pedal is uber cheap fo what it can do....but yeah 'tone' is very subjective...i'd rehouse it though, i can't stand those plastic boxes... ;)
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zombiwoof

Re: Good Reverb pedal ???
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2011, 02:44:02 PM »
Antique Electronics Supply (tubesandmore.com) carries a kit that uses either the Belton Brick or one of those other new reverb chips (not sure which it uses) if you're inclined to build one.  There is an associated site that carries all of the kits, but I don't remember what it is.  Just a suggestion.

Al

StarGeezers

Re: Good Reverb pedal ???
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2011, 03:01:20 PM »
   Based upon Dead astronaut’s recommendation , I ordered a Behringer to play with ...  Should be FUN ... Cheap enough ...  Thanks DA !!!!!!

deadastronaut

Re: Good Reverb pedal ???
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2011, 04:45:37 PM »
@stargeezer;  i haven't got/bought one...i just thought they were pretty good n cheap!.... ;)
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chi_boy

Re: Good Reverb pedal ???
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2011, 09:49:44 PM »
GGG reverb: http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/component/virtuemart/?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage-ask.tpl&product_id=160&category_id=7

I think they sound pretty good myself...

Kind of a bummer that they are out of stock.  After reading all the nice things about it...
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StarGeezers

Re: Good Reverb pedal ???
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2011, 09:09:25 AM »
  Dude, er, Dead... "i just thought they were pretty good n cheap!.... “    That works for me !!!  :icon_mrgreen:

bcalder

Re: Good Reverb pedal ???
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2011, 10:09:45 AM »
My first build was the Brick-based BYOC reverb - empowering to build something complex-sounding, but easy to do. My friend stole it immediately & uses it almost every night in his jazz gig.

http://www.buildyourownclone.com/reverb.html
 

deadastronaut

Re: Good Reverb pedal ???
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2011, 10:25:18 AM »
  Dude, er, Dead... "i just thought they were pretty good n cheap!.... “    That works for me !!!  :icon_mrgreen:

cool, cheap is good!.....

as for diy verb my ears detect a delay in diy reverbs..not knocking them..but i like a plate to a mighty hall verb...and sad to say i haven't heard that in a diy yet!..but it'll happen i'm sure!.....digital stuff etc... :)
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StarGeezers

Re: Good Reverb pedal ???
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2011, 08:27:51 AM »
 Although we’re currently involved with a discussion of the  guts of the Belton brick in another forum  ( PT2399 )  and a way to recreate this  in a thrifty manner (those chips are cheap ) ...  AND currently working up a Fender tube reverb clone ... This pedal just seemed to be FUN !!!    With lots more strange noises I can make than with the other more standard  reverb  projects ...  Due In today ...  I’ll report the results... as per usual .