forgot i posted this before, haha

Ooops!!! I read the first question wrong so I'm clarifying my statement (not that anyone cares).  

The Replacements "blew it" in a big way BUT they had potential.  On the other hand - people who made it with no talent - hmmmm??  I don't have that much time to make that list.

AL

Quote from: bwanasonic

The claims throughout history of the decadent negative influence of a given artform are generally just good for chuckles for later generations. You can find quotes from antiquity that sound an awful lot these claims about rap music.

Kerry M

Spot on, Kerry

Quote..ok, I know you gonna hate me now...Kirk Hammet....

I've been thinking about this and actually you are right, live his playing can really suck. I've seen him a few times play on stage and that isn't really impressive.

I wanna bring up Eric Clapton. There are songs were he justs sounds like a 2nd rated player. But there are other ones here he can almost drive me to tears  :oops:  (Holy Mother)

I think there are lots of guitarists that demonstrate that you only have to get it right once when it counts, in the studio (or you can hire someone to do it for you).  Live doesn't make or break you anymore.  Your video is more important.

Actually, with computers, you don't even have to get it right at all, they can "fix" it.  

Quoteand I'm a big Doors Fan, But early Krieger was also a joke, they had a good guitar player in Mark Benno, who they let slide away after the first couple of album's, I've teched for Mark and he's a Super guy, gave me a pic. of him and Jim in the studio doin L. A. woman, also let me hear a unreleased recording of him and SRV when they had a band in L.A.

I wanna hear more about that!! please..Are u saying  They needed someone else to help with the guitar work cause Kreiger couldnt cut it?

Funny how (a) my personal opinion of Prince caused so much controversy, and (b) how I personally disagree with almost every opinion given in this thread!  :lol:

There must be judgements as to things of  value in society and things that are contemptible, or else there are no standards. It's stange how today everything has to be accepted no matter how base or vile as redeeming.If you think the purpose of music is to condone the         degradation of women, and foment violence and hatred that's sad.If you listen  to hip hop that strives to unify and uplift, great.
 Comparing the rebelious attitude of the music of the fifties to the nature and attitude of todays violent rap is ridiculous.
 I'd hate to have to accept a world that values a Rembrandt as much as it values a paint by numbers, wouldn't you?

QuoteLuke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.

Guitar players that can dance don't usually fair very well.

Quote from: WGThickPresenceGuitar players that can dance don't usually fair very well.

No worries here. Ricky Vance can't dance.

RDV

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 Comparing the rebelious attitude of the music of the fifties to the nature and attitude of todays violent rap is ridiculous.

Only that's not what I was comparing. I was comparing alarmist claims that <insert form of music here. Lyre playing, Serial Compositions, *Race* music, etc.> would cause the decline of civilization as we know it. You can find the degradation of women and celebrations of violence in a lot more genres than rap. I don't think you should accept anything you find *base or vile*. I find American Idol and Nashville Star completely base and vile, but I don't  throw the *baby* of pop music and country, out with the bath water. There were plenty of 3rd rate 17th century Dutch painters, but I don't dismiss Rembrandt  and Dutch painting because of them. Listening to a song desrcribing something you find morally repugnant is not embracing or accepting those morals. Reading Crime and Punishment is not an endorsement or acceptance of criminal deviancy. Reading Lolita is not an acceptance of sex with minors. Watching Taxi Driver is not endorsing psychotic behavior. Etc,

Art Happens

Kerry M

hmmm, kirk hammet,

Quote from: johan..ok, I know you gonna hate me now...Kirk Hammet....has he ever been able to play in tune? or is he just tonedeth?...sloppy wah, out of tune....it makes me..argh..cant listen....and reportedly, he wasnt good

but he IS a good guitarist

Quotebwanasonic wrote: Listening to a song describeing something morally repugnant is  not embracing or accepting those morals.



Maybe not, but purchasing the material  endorses and perpetuates it's existance,violence begets violence, hate begets hate.

bwanasonicwrote: You can find the degradation of woman and celebrations of violence in a lot more genres than rap.


 Even remotely justifying an act of violence just becuase there are similar acts of violence occuring at the same time is invalid and apathetic.
The only way evil can exist is when good men do nothing.

I agree with you completely about American Idol!

After thinking about this some more I decided that it's me.

Have any of you heard a solo from Greg Ginn from Black Flag?  That's some of the funniest stuff you could yank from a six string.  He gets points for originality, though.  I also am not too impressed with the nu-metal style of guitar playing-just tuning down to B and playing that low B chord like it's a rhythm instrument is pretty stupid.  Iommi tuned that low at times and made it sound great and musical, so what's with these chuckleheads?  Kids from the suburbs trying to act tough.

Wow, LP.. you had to bring up Greg Ginn, didn't ya?

<story mode ON>
I was the house engineer for a club in the mid-90's.. cool place, got lots of good smaller national acts (had 311 before they were big, etc).. and one night - I had the Greg Ginn band..

weeeellll.
They load in - three piece outfit - drummer has these MASSIVE oversized drums.. covered in animal skin and what looked like bones.  Greg and the bass player each had a Sansamp rack mount, a Crown MACRO-TECH 1200, a 4x12 and a 1x15..

oh my...  it was SOOOO loud, that by the 3rd song, I'd pulled everything out of the PA except vocals..  the PA was CRANKED, and you could hardly make out singing over the din..  eventually - i left it and walked out.. couldn't even be in the room (with earplugs IN)..

Nice guys, though.
<story mode OFF>
"-)

as far a s tom morrelo and ratm goes.being handy with a digitech whammy does not make you a good guitarist.
    i thought this was about guitar technique so thats why i chose the bands i chose. none of them display any kind of impressive guitar technique.

Quote from: SamuelI can't second the Prince thing. . . His performance on the MTV Video Awards. . .  reminded me that he can pull out some chops when needed

I, too, remember those awards and thinking, "Prince...that?! Not bad..." I was impressed. Plus, I hear he can play almost any instrument you hand him.

There are two issues: those who make it far with little, and earn our respect (ex. Kurt Cobain), and those who get far with little and make us say, "Then...there really ISN'T a God, is there?" (Chad Kroeger). Now, in defense of Kroeger, I've never heard him wail live, so that maybe isn't fair. But even if he's not bad, I'd still take Tom Morello over Kroeger for skill because TOM MORELLO DOESN'T BORE THE LIVING <excrement> OUT OF ME!

I would have to say, even though I like Green Day's old stuff, Worst Successful Giutarist Award goes to A tie between Billy-Joe Armstrong of Green Day and Noodles of the Offspring. If you can drop-d and play powerchords with your @$$, you can tour with them live.

Kudos to Prince-He is one of the few modern pop composers to keep funk music alive and in the forefront in this era of prefabricated crap maquerading as funk.  His guitar solos are insane-what, are you detractors #$%&'n deaf?  I don't really like his poppier stuff either, but it can't be denied that he is keeping a great art form like funk alive.